All of the areas mentioned above are agendas that are ready to spark and explode at any time. Just pick any one. Our government over many years has fostered and encouraged hatred between all of these groups. This hasn't just been going on for four or five years, it has systematically
been developed and created for just the right season, and that season is here. There is serious contention with all of these groups. So is this war going to be between just the north and the south, with a clearly defined line? Or between the color of one's skin? The shape of one's facial features? Religion or language? No. This war is going to be all of the above. The stage is set. All it will take is an ignition, or spark, and the fires will quickly grow out of control in every area mentioned above. We are just one spark away from national, world wide chaos. This will be a war of the likes that mankind has never seen before. This type of war will not be survivable for the masses.
What will our government do? Control. Control is what they specialize in. So, how will they control every facet of chaos known to man? Force. Force people to relocate. Force people into camps. This is not a new technique. If you relocate someone from their homeland, they lose all support. Sparks are already starting to flare. As we speak, the 1st and 2nd Amendments are under constant attack by the same government sworn to protect them. Our elected representatives are, for the most part, traitors. The major news medias are liars. Pretty picture here, isn't it?
We have many conversations here about the coming collapse and chaos, wondering how it will play out. Knowing that things will be drastically different, but not sure what that will bring to our lives, is a frequent topic here. There are many that have written about what to do in the case of an EMP, an economic collapse, rioting, looting, etc. There are many that have written volumes of useful information about supplies to keep on hand, locations to live, how to garden, etc. But we haven't read very many articles that talk about what happens when a group of men, whether government or freelance, come knocking at your door, kicking in your door, or heading down the road to your place.
We've heard folks that express concern about being able to defend themselves, their families and their property, including the food that will keep them alive. There are those that have made plans to bug out to a safer, more survivable location when the time comes. There are some of us that have concerns about certain groups of people being rounded up and taken to location 'X' for their well-being and safety. Hence, Frank's motto, "Don't get on the bus."
We were discussing some of these very topics yet again this morning. We are fully aware that most people will not survive the coming collapse, and since that is the case, we could very well be among the people that
do not survive. We have no illusions about somehow being able to beat the odds. Our plan and hope, regardless of how things come down, is to live to survive as long as we can. Circumstances may be such that we could live a long time or only a short time. Either way, we won't have the struggles of this life any longer and will be in a much better place, so it won't matter to us anymore. What does matter is our desire to do all we can, for as long as we can, and be able to 'die with our boots on' so to speak.
I'm sure this message is difficult for some people to read, comprehend, or ponder, but one thing is certain in this life, we will all die. We do believe our lives are inspired by God, if we but listen. We have no doubt that we are here for a reason, so don't think this message is some fatalist, death wish, it's not. What we're trying to do is be realistic, and sometimes that involves some very difficult conversations, like this morning.
When the collapse does happen, and we're all living in survival mode, there are no guarantees about tomorrow. One morning I may open the door to go out and do the chores and get shot by someone wanting what we have. It's that simple. But there is a scenario that, as a women, Fern has given long thought and prayer to, and has drawn a line. Some of you may not agree with her conclusion, but we have all been given the freedom to choose, and she has made her choice.
If the day comes that a group of men come to our house and expect us to get on the truck, or have the intent of taking all we have, we don't expect to survive the day. If we have enough warning to flee by whatever means, we will, but if we cannot, we WILL fight. If we are outnumbered, the end of this scenario is obvious.
Ladies, as a woman, Fern refuses to be taken alive and used by a group of men. She would rather be dead and meet her Creator. We have discussed this more than once, and she refuses to submit. She
has drawn a line and will not accept what is on the other side of that line. She has pondered, prayed, and we have talked, and then she pondered and prayed some more. She is at peace with her decision and with God, and is grateful for that. As difficult as it is to even think about, she challenges you to do the same. Talk to your family. It's a very difficult thing to even contemplate, but we all know what will happen if you, as a woman, are taken by a group of men. It's just the way of this world. There may be something else that is your proverbial 'line in the sand', like the lives of your children. Think about it. Talk about it. Mentally prepare for it, whatever it is.
We have made time for Frank to be as involved as he can with setting up our Survival Radio Relay Net. We truly believe this may save our lives, and the lives of others one day, by providing us with information about what may be coming down the road. Advanced warning may make all the difference. If you have been inspired to do something that may seem a little unusual in your preparations, do it now. We've all been given certain tasks to do that may not make sense right now, but later on, we'll know why.
Remember, your mental preparation is more important than all of the 'things' you can acquire. If you are not able to cope with what arrives at your door, all the 'things' in the world will be for naught. If you can't see what is coming, I'm sorry. If you can see, and you choose to close your eyes, then God have mercy on your soul. It is here, it is at the door. It is going to erupt sooner than any of us choose. The sun is still shining, please take advantage of it. Prepare, and prepare now. Don't get on the bus.
God bless you all,
Frank & Fern
Hi there,
ReplyDeleteGreat and very timely post about the events bearing down on our country. This is a time for decision making that is beyond difficult, but I feel quite necessary . I often reflect back on my Boy Scout days and the motto "be prepared " comes to the forefront, just as important now as it was years ago .
Since I am long in the tooth , you younguns in the audience will have to look that up , I was inspired by your reference to the BUS to begin a new career as a poet . But then I have never seen a wealthy poet , but here goes anyway .
THE BUS
DON'T GET ON THE BUS MY FRIEND
TIS BUT A RIDE TO AN INGLORIOUS END
LIFE WILL BE EASY WITH A RIDE ON THE BUS
NO WORRIES, NO DECISIONS, IT ALL SOUNDS LIKE A PLUS
FREE MEALS , A COUNTRY RIDE AND A PLACE TO REST
IT IS GOING TO SOUND LIKE THE VERY BEST
CLIMB ABOARD NOW , YOU'LL BE SAFE AND SOUND
THE QUESTION IS , WILL YOU EVER BE FOUND ?
LEARN FROM THE MAN WHO LOOKED LIKE A SHREW
HE FOOLED A NATION AND SLAUGHTERED THE JEW
I KNOW NOT WHAT LIES FOR ME TOMORROW
BUT BOARDING THE BUS WOULD BE MY SORROW
I'LL PRAY FOR ALL TO SEE THE LIGHT
THAT MEN WILL LIVE IN FREEDOM'S LIGHT
BLUESMAN
Hi, Bluesman. Thank you for your poem, it is very appropriate and timely. And thank you for taking the time to comment.
DeleteFrank
Great article and I agree completely. However, the quote shown with George Washington appears to be misattributed to him. I really like the quote and I wanted to get more info when I saw it was a misquote shown on MountVernon.org. Just thought I would let you know.
ReplyDeleteThank you for your comment, Damian. We are sorry for the misquote and hope it does not detract from the message of this article. It's time we all do some serious soul searching, mental preparation and remain vigilant. Again, thank you for your comment.
DeleteFern
my greatest fear for our daughter. i pray every day for an all encompassing phalanx of guardian angels to surround her entirely with no chinks.
ReplyDeletei took her to learn to shoot last year but have no $$ for a pistol yet.
it is on the short list.
i agree with fern 100%.
If you can try to work out a layaway deal with a local gun shop, if you can and once you have decided on the pistol or revolver that you are going to buy, find a range that allows you to rent pistols, and practice with that model of firearm that you are purchasing. In addition if you do not yet have it, have everyone in the family get a Concealed Handgun License, when things start to really unwind, classes will be hard to get into and the time that it takes to process applications will lengthen dramatically,
DeleteHi, Deborah. We have thought about this a great deal, and felt we needed to share these ideas. Do what's best for you and yours.
DeleteFrank
I hope this helps: a decent pistol can be had for around $ 200, namely the Hi-Point 9 mm pistol; its kind of ugly but it will do the intended job.
DeleteFor many, $200 is a dream. Most are putting beans and potatoes on the table with that.
DeleteI woke up Christmas Day morning grateful for another day and thankful - oh so thankful - for Jesus' birth! But I was also very unsettled in my spirit because all day it felt like this was the last "normal" Christmas we will see in America. Folks, it's time to choose who you will serve. Our government is now in the business of forcing us to bow to Baal. In 2016, Obama will be coming for our guns, by which he intends to strip us of our ultimate means of resisting evil. Stay strong Christians and pray for the lost; pray for real revival in America! Jesus is our Blessed Hope - our only hope.
ReplyDeleteI felt it was our last 'normal' Christmas too.
DeleteIt is important to remember that our God is in control. That's not to say that we should sit back and do nothing. Standing water goes stagnant! Be prepared as best as you can. Prepare your mind that you may have to take a life or lives in the future. If someone comes after you and you must protect your family or yourself, remember they are making a choice to possibly die for what they want from you. They in a sense are signing their own death warrant. (G)
DeleteWell put, thank you for your thoughts. I feel that this will be our last national election coming up, and the results have already been determined. Thank you for sharing.
DeleteFrank
Hello, G. Your comments are well put, accurate and articulate. And I believe you are right. I pray to God it never gets to this point, but it certainly may. Thank you.
DeleteFrank
Agree with all above except for the CCP. If you really believe what you are saying, why would you give the government notice that you are armed? Can you tell me where in "shall not be infinged" is the requirement for a government "permit?"
DeleteThat is a concern granted, however the reality is that they TPTB would already know that you have a firearm from the "back ground check" paperwork, yes they are supposed to destroy it, but they don't shocking I know that the government would lie, and disobey the laws that we are expected to obey, but it is true, look no further than the DC "sniper" case where they used the 4473 form as a de facto registration. Which is why they are so opposed to Gun Shows, it breaks the chain of title for them, but even with a private purchase gun show fire arm unless you live in a constitutional carry state you need a CHL
DeleteNow don't get me wrong, I believe that every state firearms law and every federal gun control act, since the NFA on forward is unconstitutional and morally void, however just because a law is unconstitutional does not mean it is not enforced, I also believe that the CCP/CHL is a must.
For right now, in the period when things are disintegrating but have not totally unwound a fire arm concealed (to follow the laws on the "books" and for OpSec) is a must, one of these flash mob riots could break out any where, and being in one and un armed is not a pleasant prospect, and especially for a women, carrying concealed is a must, the (Former) USA will start experiencing the problems that are now plaguing Europe, such as the onslaught of the rape Jihadist emissaries of the "Religion of Peace" as is happening in the Islamic Republics of Sweden and Germany.
There will be a total collapse, of that I am sure, but at that point it will be difficult for the "authorities" to single out CCP holders, they will probably use a door to door style gun confiscation dragnet.
There is the down side of driving in a state like Maryland, which while it does not recognize any other states CCP is allowed to download the database of permit holders, and uses that combined with tag registration to violate the FOPA on a daily basis. But my solution to that is to avoid those fascists states like Maryland, NJ, NY et al, all together, they are well know and best avoided
Hi, Marty. Lots of information, very well put, and I appreciate you sharing it. Our readers need to read these type things.
DeleteI don't know if they'll come to the houses that have CCPs or not, but even if they want to, who is going to come? County sheriff? Not remotely close to having the man power. I don't think the local sheriff's office would do something like that. These guys are local, for the most part, born and raised here. FBI, ATF? Even less man power. It's not going to happen. Some people watch way too much television.
I appreciate your heads up, but in the mean time, keep your head down.
Frank
Yes, gun confiscation on a national scale would not happen, I can envision the government engaging in it in a localized area, and using threats and bravado telling people that they will give a "amnesty" to those who "turn them in".
DeleteDuring the hunt for the "Boston Bomber" a section of Watertown, Mass was essentially put under Martial Law, and the "authorities" went door to door, entering homes looking for the Jihadi, with police department SWAT teams from through out the region, they were not able to locate him with their search because he was outside their grid, they just did not have a large enough force to lock down more that a small section of one small city, (they eventually captured the Jihadi because of a citizen tip). So the idea that there could be wide spread martial law style gun confiscation is not impracticable, however the "authorities" could use the threat of such confiscation combined with "amnesty" to coerce "voluntary" turn ins.
I remember a story my uncle told me. At the end of the European war, he was about to embark on a transport ship back to the US, during a formation before they boarded the ship an officer told them that they were going to check for contraband weapons, so my uncle who had several German weapons he had picked up in North Africa tossed them, however they never did check his or anyone else's gear, there were simply too may men, not enough time.
Point is no matter what.Never turn them in. If and when they come to take away our God given rights, and that is exactly what it would be, God help us, I do not know how I would react, however this quote from
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn comes to mind
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
Hi, Marty. Interesting quote, I will file that one.
DeleteThere just aren't enough of them to do the job. I don't believe the local homegrown boys will take away their grandma's weapon. That is just not going to happen. There may be isolated cases where we hear about it on the national news. There will be some local politicians huffing and puffing and blowing steam. It's just not going to happen. These guys have families, they have mommies, daddies, and cousins. They have babies, and they want to come home at night. But they did it in Australia, didn't they? And they can try to do it here, too. And I think they will try.
I worry more about the Judas type. The type that will turn in his neighbor for a government favor. Remember, lose lips sink ships. And it may be your favorite cousin, if put under pressure by some authority, they will talk. Thank you for your comment. Take care.
Frank
You have read my mind on this subject. A great and thoughtful posting, thank you.
ReplyDeleteHi, Mike. I pray daily that all of these comments are wrong, but there's something moving in the air that is just not healthy. Many feel it. It's like when you can feel someone staring at you, and they are. There's a bad feeling in the air. A real bad feeling.
DeleteFrank
something in the air-- the prince of the powers of the air. his minions are stronger here than ever.
Deleteuse the Name of Power, JESUS, to force them to flee.
important to pray over your family, animals and property every day- sorry, feminists- the male head of household needs to be in the forefront of praying blessing over all and using the Name of Power to force demons away.
God is present in His praises. praise Him all over your property. gets the demons' goat! [no offense to goat herders].
In Germany and its neighbors Jews cooperated and let themselves be rounded up, thinking peaceful cooperation would mean a safer outcome. It amazes me that folks think something like that could never happen again. I figured out a long time ago what a complete collapse would mean to me personally. One of the verses I keep in the back of my mind is "be faithful unto death."
ReplyDeleteAnd NEVER stop fighting! NEVER! (G)
DeleteHello, Leigh. Appeasement has it's place, and it works to a certain extent, but there are places that appeasement doesn't work. Never has and never will. This is one of those times. Appeasement has gotten us where we are today. It's time to take a stand.
DeleteFrank
"A coward dies a thousand deaths, a brave man dies but once."
ReplyDeleteThank you, Shakespeare.
Delete"don't make a fuss, get on the train, see its only a shower"....
ReplyDeleteI will take my showers at home, thank you. We live in a sick world. It's coming. Thank you for your comment.
DeleteFrank
Dear folks,
ReplyDeleteThank you for a great piece, as usual.
I would like to point out a new book I just read called Spritz of Death that addresses the issue of government confiscation of food and other supplies. The book is gritty, thought provoking, and free of curse words. You will probably enjoy it, as I know I did.
Thank you for the recommendation, we will look into it. Thank you for taking the time to share.
DeleteFrank
I understand your feelings and premonitions. But I think your predictions are wrong. In the end, government has feet of clay (the US government, at least). They simply won't be ABLE to bully the population as a whole, in a physical way. They'll try -- they're always trying; but in the end they'll back off. The fact is they'll never get the hordes of thugs to carry out extreme orders -- especially when a significant percentage of people start shooting at thugs who come to their doors (if even THAT ever happens, which it won't -- not on a mass scale).
ReplyDeleteIf everything falls apart it will be because of a massive failure of the economic system, or some vital technology, or massive natural disaster or something along those lines. It's those things that a prepper needs to be worried most about.
The best examples I can give along those lines is the HUGE failure of people in NY and Conn to register "assault rifles" as they were supposed to. The VAST majority of people thumbed their noses at government on those issues, and the govt in both cases just crawled back into their hole on those issues.
Too many things have already been put into place by government to lock doen the country. YES force will come and at their hands. Chaos and rioting and mass unrest will precede, but Government has laid the infrastructure to take full control...they just need the ignition and rsulting firestorm and then they make their well contemplated and prepared, rehearsed move.
DeleteI think Frank and Fern are spot on! We know not what evil this government has up it's sleeves as we don't get to see what's behind the curtain until it is drawn. We all have our own ideas and all have some truth to them. I also feel that this may have been the last "normal" Christmas we may see. Sadly. (G)
DeleteHello. Everything you say is accurate and true. But the government doesn't have to have enough thugs/agents to do their work. If enough conflict is created among groups, then the governments work will be completed for them. This is part of the plan. Let the people fight among themselves. Food for thought. But everything you've said is correct.
DeleteFrank
As mentioned above, our country is too big for a complete, total, national lock down. But they can lock down all the major airports, all the trains, all of the interstates and most U.S. highways, and then let the local groups fight among themselves. The major cities will implode, along with most medium sized cities. At the national level, they could shut down the major infrastructure, everything else will be on their own. Thank you for sharing and thank you for your thoughts.
DeleteFrank
It needs to be made clear, IMO, that people are just people. A "few" people CANNOT control 300 million people -- except with the help of a million or so well armed thugs who are willing to obey the orders of the "few." But if a large proportion of those million thugs choose NOT to obey the orders, nothing will happen (and "the few" know that fact very well indeed). ALREADY we've seen many sheriff's departments vow they will not take part in "gun grabs" which they see as constitutional, for example.
DeleteIf we are "headed that way" (and, long term, we could be) it would be because the US govt is becoming more soviet-like in regard to supporting so many people. If the government "gives you" the things you need (i.e., a welfare state), then you will find yourself compelled to support almost anything that government tries to do. Currently (despite an AWFUL lot of govt giveaways) we're not nearly at the point. We (just as did the soviet union) will go broke before we could really get to that point. And indeed, probably the #1 realistic prepper motivation is collapse of the USD. The result of that won't be tyranny though -- it'll be anarchy.
Well put, your premise is well taken, and is a very strong possibility of what could occur. Who knows how the dominoes are going to fall, and in which time frame they occur. I can see tyranny, I can anarchy, I can also see a government induced pandemic, the likes of which we will never recover from. Who knows? But most of us agree that something is very near.
DeleteHow about this? You take a government thug that refuses to cooperate and you threaten his wife, baby girl, mommy, he will cooperate. Whether he wants to or not, he will. Have a good day.
Frank
There are also hundreds of thousands of disaffected and mistreated veterans, who have the training needed and have no love for the government. Even much of our standing military is subservient to the government out of a sense of duty to the Constitution and the people, and will not abide forced labor camps and mass round ups of the citizens.
DeleteHi, Stryker. Our rank and file soldiers will not take up arms against American citizens. At one time, I believed that our military leadership would not take up arms against the American citizen. But our high level military leadership has been purged, and I'm not sure which position they will take.
DeleteI believe you're right about veterans being very dissatisfied with the government. Just yesterday, at a family function I wore my VFW life member hat. I was the only veteran there. You see, I can and will wear my VFW hat anywhere I choose, and I bow only to God.
Thank you,
Frank
Rank and file soldiers WILL take up arms against soldiers. Many are gay/lesbian now and hate traditional Americans. Others will defend against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC... that is US people. WE are considered domestic terrorists now. WE are the ones that the police get all of the bulletins about. Dont think for a minute that the US Army or USMC will be on our side. I am recently retired and have been shocked to see how Godless and liberal our military has become. They WILL follow orders. Study xmall scale and guerrilla campaigns. Pray. Stay strong. There is nothing written in my Bible that mandates we be sheeples, and must lose. If we organize those whom we live with near, we can survive and create a free nation, perhaps just not as big.
DeleteNot really, after the registration deadline expired, governor Malloy, (CT) made it clear of the charges that would be placed on those caught with unregistered guns or magazines. Now, Malloy, is trying to associate gun owners with no fly lists.
DeleteI do not see the government "crawling back into their hole" on this issue....No, they are simply waiting for another "event" to use as an excuse for confiscation. Mark my words, it will be attempted in near future in DR.
I have a family member who is a state trooper, and he also trains cadets at the state police academy. I also have a friend who is a federal police officer. Both of these individuals have recently moved to extremely rural locations, and are stocked up on supplies. Their homes are now functional in an off-grid situation. One is homesteading, and could take care of everyone in their family on the homestead. They both talk about being prepared for situations that may come up. They also laugh when I've talked about ammunition shortages. They say they have all of the ammo they need, and the cops will never run out..no matter what happens. What does this tell you? It tells me they have some idea of what is coming. I guess we're not as paranoid as the mainstream media would have us believe.
ReplyDeleteI've also noticed that the shelves at my local grocery stores are not as well-stocked as they were several months ago. I'm not talking about those we're-not-caught-up-with-the-stocking-after-a-busy-time empty shelves. I'm talking about routinely having empty shelves, regardless of the day or time of day that I'm there. Is anyone else experiencing this?
By the way, my Christmas gifts from my kids and grandkids this year were another cast iron pan, a blanket, a box of many different essential oils, and from my husband, a goat barn. We're getting ready.
I feel sad when I think about not being able to read your posts and the comments from others. I feel as if you're all my friends and mentors. I know that some day soon we will not have this form of communication.
May God bless and guide each of us.
Hi, Grammy. We gave blankets this year for Christmas. Some of the people didn't even say thank you. In the past, we have given Lodge cast iron kits, and hopefully will in the future sometime. Most of them don't like cast iron and won't use it.
DeleteWe have noticed store shelves that have holes in spaces. We've been noticing this for months.
You're probably right about the internet going off. I lived without the internet for a long time. It's a great tool and it will be dearly missed. So be it.
The police departments don't have any secret information that the rest of us don't have access to. These are wise people that are following up on what they can see coming. We should all follow their example. Thank you for sharing.
Frank
I echo Grammy's sentiment that I feel as I will lose my mentors if I lose the ability to read this blog. Frank and Fern, while my husband, daughter and I are in the very beginning of our prepping journey, your thoughts and reasoning has kept me motivated, vigilant, and prepared. I thank you for that. I have hope that these things do not happen, but I don't have so much hope that I'm displaced from reality.
DeleteThank you again for sharing with us.
Hi, Savannah, welcome to the blog. I literally pray everyday that Fern and I are a couple of blind fools, swayed by some subculture marketing technique. And it could happen. Savvy marketing techniques sell folks things everyday that they don't need and will never use. Since the vast majority disagree, then it would be easy to be seen as a blind fool.
DeleteWe discuss this possibility on a semi-regular basis. But what we see, hear, taste, feel, we are not blind fools. I also pray for those that can't see. Be vigilant, prioritize, and get all done that you can while we still have the ability to do.
Read back through the comments on this article and you will feel a general theme. These are people from all over and various walks of life. Could be all be wrong? Certainly. Look at the millions that buy plastic junk at Wal-Mart that they will never use. We are just a literal drop in the bucket.
Prepare now, and every day that you still have light to see. When everything we have is gone, be thankful for the time that you had it. Take care.
Frank
What is the worst the Takers can do to me ? kill and eat me?
ReplyDeleteThe women folk will fair far worse.
No more days off.
I carry a brace of pistols and extra magazines.
Everywhere.
I am my families protector. I am the last line.
No more days off.
You're right, absolutely right. "No more days off."
DeleteThank you,
Frank
Yes, the war is well under way.
ReplyDeleteAll one needs to do is to look at the Democrat
controlled inner cities where Americas homegrown urban
terrorists dwell.
Liberals and their Hellions are the enemy that must be
vanquished now, and for eternity.
Hello. I'm afraid to leave home any great distance, 60 miles is just about my limit. If things are not looking good that day, I don't go. I'm too old to walk that far, and I hate sleeping on the ground.
DeleteWhen the cities collapse, it is not any place that I would want to be for any reason. Imagine being in Chicago when the power goes off. Imagine being in a major airport 1000 miles from home and all you have is your carry on bag. Not me. Never again.
Evil knows no political party or race or religion. It's everywhere. Thank you for words.
Frank
Dear F&F
ReplyDeleteThank you for your thoughtful words and the courage it took to write them.
Acts 20:29 I know that, after my departure, ravening wolves will enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
They have, they are, act accordingly. Know the difference between good and evil and be willing to fight for good. The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing folks he didn't exist. In the US he used the FED to convince everyone that stomping the middle class to death was ok and that the economy didn't actually collapse in 08. It did for many, many people.
If I died tomorrow fighting tyranny I would be so glad that I read your post and that you are in the world! God bless.
Hello. Well, the wolf is at the door, and in some cases, the wolf is in the door.
DeleteWe avoid, at this site, discussing fighting. We don't want to appear to incite anyone to violence. But it's coming, and we will all have to deal with it. Some will choose to lay down, others will choose to stand. We have made our choice.
Thank you for your humbling words.
Frank
Frank & Fern, thank you for your thoughts, although I find it curious to find this posted on Christmas. I suppose the authorities may come knocking on a time when we least expect it. My family is not as far along the self-sufficiency path as you. & I'm grateful for your posts & teachings & sharing as you have. Thank you for sharing your experiences that become blessings for those of us following in your footsteps. May our wonderful God continue to bless you both.
ReplyDeleteAnd may God bless you also. And may God bless us all. We just don't know when this thing is going to happen.
DeleteAs far as posting on Christmas, we waited until later in the day when most family activities were complete. But we felt like this information needed to be shared. Bad things are coming, people need to talk about the bad things. Thank you for your comments.
Frank
I'm 98% ready. I carry everywhere. Even where it says "No Firearms Allowed." That includes Schools, Churches, Restaurant/Bars, etc. It will be those soft targets that will get hit by terrorists. At home, I have a 90 day supply of food for my entire family. Others will not be welcomed.
ReplyDeleteWhere you carry is your choice. Why do we need permission to carry anyway according to the 2nd Amendment? It is our right to keep and bear arms, and rights are ordained by God.
DeleteMost issues will settle down within 90 days. 90 days is a good number, 360 days is also a good number. Take care.
Frank
Fantastic! yes we too have our plan ready...
ReplyDeleteHi, M.E. Sometimes things are hard to talk about. Some plans need to be planned well in advance. It takes time for some things to settle in our minds, especially very serious issues. Take care.
DeleteFrank
Look at the invasion of Europe without a shot being fired. Too late, the people are waking up. Their government is in on the deal to have them overrun with Muslims intent on destroying the European culture. It is the same that is happening here, on a smaller scale for now with this president, intent on destroying America. It is all part of the UN global initative for one world government. UN troops will be here (well they already are) to help take control when the time comes. You all think you can hold off an army with the technology and weapons available to them now? Have you any idea what is coming down the pike about gun control this next year? Sure, the govt backed down a couple of times because they were not ready yet. We still have a little time. We can defend against armed thugs and city people, but not the military. The UN is the major player in this scenario, you can bet on it. Most people are sheeple and do as they are told...they will get on the bus. Half the country is on govt assistance....obedient slaves. The rest of us will resist. Now is the time for 100% situational awareness. Open carry on your homestead all the time. Carry concealed in town. When the time comes, it won't matter if you are licensed or not...you will carry and defend as best you can. You think drone strikes will only happen in Syria? Civil disobedience? Really?
ReplyDeleteHello, Tewshooz, good to hear your thoughts. Don't be afraid to say what you think.
DeleteTewshooz, the scenario you spoke of is one that I feel is a very strong possibility. We already have thousands of well trained fighters from foreign countries on our soil waiting for the call. When that call comes, all hell is going to break loose. Remember that cell phone incident in Missouri at the local Wal-Mart stores? Remember the San Bernardino couple? They appeared to have jumped the gun just a little. We have thousands and thousands just like them in our country, waiting.
Your words are scary. We had better pay attention and be vigilant 24/7. I believe what you said is spot on. These people are armed and dangerous. I wish I knew more, but I don't.
Remember the Tet Offensive? This is what I predict will happen, except it will be sharply more advanced, and it will paralyze our country. The writing is on the wall, Biblically speaking. Prepare to defend yourself. This thing is going to get way out of hand.
It would be a lot more fun to be writing about how to make the best breakfast biscuit, but currently, this is my calling. Thank you for what you say, your thoughts are genuinely appreciated.
Frank
Hi F and F, Liked the post a lot and all the remarks. If 48 people can in such a short time all come to the overall same conclusion, I'd say it is a forgone fact that there are millions out there of the same thoughts. I am not totally ready but will be able to make it for a year, all 21 of us, but after that it not so clear. No access to replenishment of animals of any sort. But to repeat Charlton Heston's mantra,"Out of my cold dead hands"!
ReplyDeleteI noticed in todays headline picture that the backhoe has a nice little augur. Just got one for my Skidsteer and will be using it comes spring. Is that "Mr Wilson" standing behind the tree washing the Hoe down? LOL
Hi, Everett. Did you read the radio comment I sent you about CBs?
DeleteIn line breeding works, Everett. Goats are easy to work with, the size is right for butchering. Overall, I'd give goats a pretty good rating. Good meat and good dairy products. They're a whole lot easier to handle than a cow.
Chickens are real easy to manage. Good meat, good eggs. Real difficult to milk. Both goats and chickens can forage for a lot of their own food.
And, yes, that is not Mr. Wilson, that is Mr. Frank 'the farmer' Feral, with a piece of equipment that he sharply abuses. It has saved my back many a time. Well worth the small investment. Take care.
Frank
I'm a retired structural engineer and Vietnam (Navy) veteran and I will soon be living out in the woods of northern Kentucky on 18 acres, about 70 miles east of Cincinnati. This is deer hunting country and very conservative, everybody has several rifles, any attempt to move on the local population here would be resisted by people who are very good shots.
ReplyDeleteI think they will try to collapse the economy first and encourage the sheep to become dependent on the government even more than they are now. After that, the real strong arm tactics will be tried.
I just found your blog, it is great and I will be back to see more.
Hello. Hope you enjoy the blog. Look around, lots of food and recipe type articles. A few building tips here and there. Information about radio communications. And an occasional comment about the state of the union.
DeleteWe live in a very rural area also. About 60 something miles from a medium sized functional town. Initially, no matter what causes the collapse, my biggest concern will be a couple of the local maggots. Every place has them.
Find a good local church. Besides the religious benefits, of course, you can find out quickly and somewhat reliably, what's going on in the area. Best of luck, and thanks for reading.
Frank
To the commentor above who thinks a few people can't rule over the majority, without "millions" of willing helpers, why does that thought comfort you?
ReplyDeleteIt is simply a statement of fact, perhaps exaggerated a bit.
After all, in the US about 575 people in Washington rule over the rest of 300 million of us. And of those, most are the puppets (witting or unwitting) of just a few others.
So THEY DO IN FACT RULE. Right now, not at some unthinkable time in the future.
Children are seized from their parents, for playing in a park a couple blocks from home. Women are digitally raped by COPS on the side of the road in New Mexico. A man is sodomized under color of law by Doctors at a hospital in NM. Men and women are shot with minimal provocation, and no repercussion to the officers in all but the most extreme cases. A baby was horribly burned and disfigured in his crib, with NO real punishment for the department that flashbanged him. These things are happening NOW.
There are ALREADY millions ready to act on behalf of an oppressive government. Not just ready, but DOING IT.
Gun control laws, no knock raids, 'free speech' areas, civil asset forfeiture, eminent domain, gunned up Departments like Education, and the EPA, stop and frisk, curfews (if you live in a city you are probably under curfew already- or at least your kids are), almost every single clause of every single one of the Bill of Rights has been gutted.
And the people allow it.
Because shooting people is NOT what good people do. Until it's too late.
I'll point out, too, that the following had NO TROUBLE finding people to enforce their will. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, Che, Lincoln, Roosevelt. Ask the Vichy french if it can happen there.
Think it can't happen here? IT ALREADY HAS. Ask the Japanese US citizens who had their property stolen and given to political allies while they were incarcerated in concentration camps. Too historical? Ask the college professors and administrators hounded from their jobs for "wrong think" by mobs of manipulated young socialists. Ask the scientists hounded from their jobs and character assassinated by socialists in the press. Ask the landowners along the border about the 'quiet enjoyment' of their homes as wave after wave of violent invaders cross our open border.
It's already underway. There is no shortage of jackboots, quislings, collaborators, and enforcers.
If you're counting on non-compliance stopping them, you are blind to both history and reality, or kidding yourself.
nick
Hi, Nick. Thank you for taking the time to share what you think. If I may speak for the vast majority of readers at this site, the overwhelming majority would agree with your points. I am one of them.
DeleteDon't forget TSA groping our little children and our spouses while we stand there and happily watch someone feel them both up. Our conditioning has been slowly desensitized as we convince society that being felt up by strangers is good for our national security. But that's okay, because every time we watch a major sporting event with cheerleaders bouncing up and down, we are doing the same thing in our minds.
Don't forget television, the great conditioner. If you watch enough TV, you have come to believe that what was illegal 50 years ago is now the norm. Imagine that. Filth, trash, moral decay have now become the norm.
Being a recently retired educator, I have had the unfortunate experience of watching schools condition our young minds that filth and trash is also the norm. Imagine a 14 year old girl receiving an IUD at school and the parents do not have the right to know. Unbelievable! Every aspect of our daily life is under some type of government control. But fortunately, there are cells of decency scattered around this country. But they're getting smaller. Again, thank you for sharing your thoughts. Come back any time.
Frank
frank,
Deleteyou and anon. are absolutely correct.
i don't know where to start.
think of the weaponry and tech available to those in power. equipment that sees through many feet of land to your underground bunker, drones that you will never see or hear that will guide missiles to your location.
these drones are the size of insects and are built to look like them. most of us will pay them no mind. you have heard the expression 'the fly on the wall'? now it has become reality.
it is not a western where two groups fire at each other from behind rocks.
people have no idea what we are facing.
then there is the umbilical attachment our deeply ignorant population have to electronic devices.
a couple of years ago i was at the location of a tv show. their audience there were rapt. absolutely rapt.
in talking to a few of them i was amazed that many of them spend most waking hours glued to televisions and mobile devices. they are not reading this website, either.
they are looking at and listening to trash.
bread and circuses.
the firing and murder at the 'branch davidian' and the murder of the wife of the homesteader-- was it in wyoming?- years ago were set up to see how the people would react to those happenings and what lies the people would swallow, hook, line and sinker.
'they', the ubiquitous 'they', have plumbed our depths [more often our shallows] and have planned accordingly.
only God can help us, if we can turn off the tv long enough to speak to Him and then listen for a reply--listening is the hard part.
God help us all.
we know there will be nuclear devastation, as it is perfectly described in the prophetical books of the Bible.
there is no avoidance.
only God can help us. i will try harder to hear His still, small voice. harder to hear in this noisy world.
deb h.
I think many out there share your thoughts - gut feelings and all that the wheels are off and we are now (after the train went off the cliff) in the 'free fall'. Looking at history, while many say that the few in Team Fed can not control the vast majority out there only have to look at other countries in the past to see the fallacy of this concept - violent naked force frightens most of the sheep in any population and to that end a few can control the many.
ReplyDeleteHaving said this - (also 'long on the tooth' here) I have decided that I will go down fighting if necessary rather than bend a knee to those who would be masters - what's coming will not be pretty or nice - mind set is everything to survive. God bless .....
Worker
Thank you, Worker. We have a lot of sheep in our society, and I think we have percentage wise, a lot more than during my father and grandfather's time. There are just a lot of people out there that want somebody to take care of them. They want to be told when to think, what to think and how to think. I'm not exactly sure how we got this way, but this is where we are.
DeleteI think as a society our pendulum has swung as far as it's going to, and it's starting to come back. Our period of greatness is over. The quality of mankind is deteriorating. We'll still have some flashes and bright lights here and there, but overall we're "Slouching Towards Gomorrah". I borrowed that title from Justice Robert Bork. It's an interesting read if you have the time.
Thanks for sharing your ideas.
Frank
We are a minority, but that Same minority is the House Church in China. In the US many Factions have made the decision to Prepare. We are not overwhelming but the Thugs will find No Go Zones. That line We draw thus Far an no further is more than a bump in the road.
ReplyDeletePEACE BE WITH YOU Frank Fern and all Belivers
Hello, Rosco, interesting analogy. I don't like being a minority in my own country, and I certainly don't want to have to go underground. But if that's what it takes, that's what it takes. Thank you for your comments, Rosco.
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I do pray that you are wrong, we prepare because we think you may be right, we remain vigilant because the warnings have already been sent. Thank you for continuing to give out valuable information. Don't forget to print the information you think you might need later on!!
ReplyDeleteHi, Kathy. We also pray everyday that we're wrong. We also pray for the ability to see, and what we see is not very pleasant. That's what we've been given, and that's what we share. But I sure wish that we were wrong. That just hasn't been the case so far. It's here.
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For almost 2 years I have been saying something will happen in 2016. A false flag event, mass shootings, race riots like the late 60's (I went as a private in the 82nd. Airborne Division April 1968 to Washington D.C. to put down the riots there)or other events allowing Obama to declare martial law, suspend national elections, bring UN peace keeping troops onto American soil and enact gun confiscation. I know it's coming just as the arthritis in my knees tell me of a weather change. It is a feeling I cannot shake off.
ReplyDeleteHello. Lots of us feel that way. Just can't quite put a finger on it, we know it's not right, it's not good and it's not healthy. Some folks would call it evil, but whatever you call it, it's here. Someday it's going to release it's venom. We'll see.
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I was directed here by Survival Blog. I want to thank you for addressing this matter. I have thought this for some time and am in agreement with you on it. I live near one of the main arteries from the Gulf Coat to the trading center of the Mid West, and I do not trust my welfare with the powers that be.
ReplyDeleteI agree with what you stated and hope and pray that we are wrong, However, I am getting ready in case we are not. Please continue with the thoughts and directions that you give, they are very informative and thought provoking.
See you when it happens.
Hope you enjoy our blog site, there are lots of varied topics. Please come back and share anytime.
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If anyone thinks the government cannot control almost all of the people then please think again. Every family that has children in school will have to go through the government to get those children once shft. Those kids will never be allowed to just go home. They will be detained to trap the parents. Each farmer will have to tow the line to get fuel, seed, and fertilizer. Every Law Enforcement Officer including the military will obey orders to kill or else loose their salaries, benefits, and pensions etc. Don't think they won't do it, they will, count on it. I could list examples all night but to put it to rest if you read about the Jews during WW2, or the Christians martyred in Rome, or the American Indians, or the slaves, or anyone else that has ever suffered torture and execution then you will find they died because they were betrayed by the very people they loved and trusted. Trust, is only for the good times, for when it gets bad the 'Judas Syndrome' will be pandemic with no cure. thanks
ReplyDeleteHello Frank and Fern; a belated Merry Christmas, and God's blessings to both of you! I'm not sure when the inevitable is going to happen. I just know that God told me, while I was in prayer, to prepare; so prepare I do. What gets me is just how many people see the headlamp of this oncoming train; even those who aren't especially close to God! It's simply one of those "if you have eyes to see with" things.
ReplyDeleteI'm with you; this will be a war of many fronts and could start with the disintegration of any one of them. The United States has always been like a helicopter; "thousands of parts flying in formation." The formation has been breaking for years now. I'm not nearly as prepared as you folks are, but I'm not nearly as UNPREPARED as most are!
Like you, I harbor no delusions; I may not survive what's coming. At the same time though, I will not go down without a fight, and will REFUSE to "get on the bus." I will not fight for my government, but will willingly die for my country!
As for he people who think that a few government people can't control millions; they already do. You did, after all, willingly pay your income taxes last year; no? As usual our "leaders" are letting the free-stuff crowd do the dirty work. Civil unrest is actually being ENCOURAGED by our "representatives." Once things get bad enough, the sheeple will be BEGGING for martial law to be declared, in order to "restore order." It'll be all downhill from there. The military will start falling apart as the troops start realizing they've been played, but the damage will have been done. Remember' Nazi Germany started with one man duping many! Don't think it can't happen here. The present occupant of the Oval Office is doing just that, folks! Matt 24:43 says "But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into." Be vigilant, folks; vigilant and always ready! God's blessings to all!
Hi Pete. Your words are well taken, and I believe you are correct. It's amazing what one charismatic person can do. It's being done, it's being done everyday. One day, there will be a clear cut spark. It can be natural, man made, friend or foe, but it's coming soon. Thank you for sharing your intuitive thoughts.
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I would love to meet you and your bride someday Frank, but I feel it will only be in heaven worshipping our Lord together. Every time I read your blog I feel a kindred spirit toward you. May He give us great wisdom. OBTW, you keep showing photos from around your home and your toys. Almost causes me to be lustful..............
ReplyDeleteHi, MtH, it's time to be vigilant and you need to get those lustful thoughts out of your mind. Let's enjoy humor while we still have it.
DeleteCommunications seem to be my flair right now. I know it's temporary, but isn't everything temporary in this world? See you on the other side.
Frank
"We've all been given certain tasks to do that may not make sense right now, but later on, we'll know why."
ReplyDeleteIf your task is to grab us by the shoulders and give us a bit of a shake to keep us from settling back into complacency, you are doing a bang-up job! About the time I think I can pat myself on the back for a job well done and slack off some, you post an article that keeps me going in the right direction. This one, however, had the effect of a 2x4 smacked down on the middle of my forehead, just to get my attention.
Every day I read the news - both from alternative and local sources. And every day I see bad stuff coming at us from all directions. And I see those in power who do their level best to keep things stirred up. I hear their lies. I hear them tell us that we aren't smart enough to know what is best for us. And I watch our basic rights fade away. I don't know what I can do about it except to continue to live my life making decisions based on what I know to be right or wrong.
Fern, your decision about what to do should that group of men want to haul you away is the same decision I came to some time back. I have real concerns that women like me who are of a certain vintage (I am sliding toward my 70th year.) think that because they are old, nobody will bother with them, but will look for someone younger to torture. That is just not true. I have seen reports of women, particularly those like me who are widowed and live alone, who have been targeted and horribly abused. If we think just because we are old, we are safe, we are so very wrong. We especially need to have the means to defend ourselves if at all possible.
If your task seems to be to wake us up and keep us going, mine seems to be to gently remind folks how important family and trustworthy friends are in times of trouble. And to continue to report on things like preserving food, stocking up on supplies and learning the old-time skills that helped our parents and grandparents make it through tough times. Doing these things can be a challenge on a fixed income and living in a small apartment as I do, but they can be accomplished. You both inspire me to continue, for if just one person is helped, it is well worth it. Thank you for all you do, especially now when speaking the truth is becoming a dangerous thing to do.
Hi, Vicki. Bad things happen to old people, too. But old people definitely will have a function after the collapse. Old folks can see, hear, smell, advise, not to mention keep an eye on the road, little ones, and the garden. They can snap beans, pull a trigger, holler when needed, there are a million things that old people can do.
DeleteWe seem to focus on the young. What we need to do is focus on the abilities of all human beings. The young may have stronger backs, and that's great, the old have many years of experience, and you can't buy that anywhere.
Years ago I read a book, the author slips me, and I will paraphrase the title. The Old Lead, and the Young Fight. I bet I read that book 40 years ago. Let's find a use for everybody. Even little kids can work, or they can certainly be made to believe they are useful and productive, just like the old people. Watch your back.
Frank
I have wondered why the commanders of our nuclear tipped rockets stored in silos were unceremoniously replaced by the President. It would only take one launched in the Midwest and detonated at the proper altitude to cause the EMP. Don't have to look at Russia, Iran or North Korea to attack the US. A rogue government could get the job done with just a phone call.
ReplyDeleteHello. Provocative thought. That scenario has been discussed more than once in this household. It's always easy to think that the enemy comes from somewhere else, but historically the facts show otherwise in many cases. I hope lots of people read your comment. Take care, and thank you.
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Hi, blessing to you both and to all who read this article. It grieves me to say there is great truth in what you have written and in all the responses.I realize I have to step up my own education of my family, as I have only shared a small amount to of what I see coming to them. Your article has been a wake up call to me. Thank you for your truth and honesty. I have also never seen such gentle posts, without the hate and foul language in so many others. Again, many thanks!
ReplyDeleteHello, NS. Thank you for your kind words. It was very difficult to write this article, and we are shocked by the caliber of the comments, but we are appreciative of the courtesy and intellectual participation of the readers, as displayed in their thought provoking comments. Thank you for noticing that. It is nice to read an intellectual discussion absent the hatred and vulgarity. Thank you again for noticing, and thank you for the genuine compliment.
DeleteFrank
As the thought and political motive to forge a "New World Order", One World government, this whole idea to open and change the Constitution becomes a threat to Civil Rights and protection of freedom that is granted to Americans citizens in the Current US Constitution.
ReplyDeleteThe Current document existed in its entirety when America was known as the Greatest Nation in the history of the planet Earth.
The Constitution does not need changing, just the way US government works together and follows the instructions written in the guidelines of the Constitution as to how government is to properly function is the problem.
Follow the law as it is written.
A Communist government official will cause havoc and decieve public opinion to believe that government no longer is effective in a Capitalist society to get citizens to want to make changes, to move the political system into the direction of Socialism so that the political system can be set up for a later Communist takeover.
Get the Communist sympathisers out of your political system whatever way possible.
1954, President Eisenhower passed an Anti Communists act by an Executive order. 1940 Smith Act was established to prevent government takeover by foreign governments. These laws still exist on the books and It is time to put these laws into practice.
Thank you. I wish we could follow the Constitution as it was written, but that's just not possible. If it were, then we wouldn't be where we are today. We are humans, and we are going to follow human instincts, therefore, we will fail. The Constitution is and was, a great document, but it has it's inherent weaknesses. This is where we are today. I have a copy of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights within arms reach everyday. I wish that we could go back, but that's just not possible. I'm sorry.
DeleteI'm not sure where we're going, we've got ourselves in a bad situation. I'm afraid we might see a feudal type system eventually develop after the collapse. Let's all do the best we can. Thank you for your thoughts.
Frank
The battle between good and evil
ReplyDeleteGod gave man the oppertunity to choose to rule himself under the laws established by God or the laws and rules established by man.
Only those who study, practice or even choose to recognise God will want to seek to act in the ways for God's approval and blessings.
Those so intelligent who can produce artificial intelligence, Clone their own animals and humans, extend human life expectancy that defy God's will for his chosen time of death, that which counters natures own population control plan.
God and religion stands in the way of those who choose to be ruled over by the New World Order Laws being established by men of Science, Engineering and Technology rather than by the old traditional religious rules of God.
Gods traditional laws and rules stand in the way to advance a region such that of the middle east whom are a strong ruled religious region of the world.
For this new world order to suceed in all regions of the world, all nations will be required to give up their old traditional religious teachings and be converted to a new religion that accepts modern man rule, under the new established Laws of man created under Science, Engineering and Technology.
I very much enjoyed reading your thoughts and then those who responded. I am one who will not submit or surrender and the only sad thing about dying would be to not be here for all I've considered will happen.
ReplyDeleteI feel prepared to endure and prosper assuming I don't have to have an armed assault on my farm. That probably would not end well.
I agree though goats and chickens, plus rabbits and pigs are good to have to provide the needed food stuffs needed. I will add that having enough food storage to live off of until you can produce your own food is a good idea. 3 months of food just means you live through hell and die later than others. I doubt you will see food available on store shelves again, once this falls apart.
On a personal level, my only real lacking is having a companion to share in an emotional intimate way. Being a single male was not my plan.
Best to all.
SD Goatherder
Hi, David. I feel the same way about the 3 months of food as you do, but let's face it, it's a whole lot better than having 3 days of food.
DeleteDavid, this is a little out of my area, but I have friends that have found successful relationships and ultimately marriage using internet type dating service. I really don't know what to call it. There are several Christian websites. Best of luck, David.
Frank
Reminds me of a story I heard back in the 90s, when the Serbia-Bosnia Conflict(War) was going on. Two young American idealists,
ReplyDeletewho wanted to go fight for the 'right' side, went over to one of those countries (really doesn't matter which one)to enlist in the fight. They were welcomed by the local Commander of the forces when they arrived, and told them while they were awaiting their orders, they could take a break and go on down to the local High School. When they asked why they should go down there, the Commander said," That's where we keep the captured women. You can have your pick." End of Idealism!
The Serbia/Bosnia Conflict is an excellent example of what happens when authority breaks down. Many folks won't remember, but the Winter Olympics were in Sarajevo just a couple of years earlier. It was a modern, thriving city, then later, folks were burning furniture to stay warm. Not to mention, trying to keep from getting shot. If it can happen there, it can happen here. Thanks for the reminder.
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Thank you for the sobering post. I too came over from SurvivalBlog just today to read your blog. I have subscribed. Like so many commenters, I have had an unsettled mind about where 2016 will take us, a vague, ominous premonition of dark times ahead.
ReplyDeleteI handed my laptop to my bride and asked her to read your post which has spurred renewed discussion about our preparedness priorities. We will be revisiting our goals for the coming year, all good. Neither my bride nor I had really confronted the concept of refusing to "get on the bus" or where to draw the line. We are now. Thank you. We look forward to receiving your posts regularly. God bless, long live the Republic and keep your eyes on the heavens to welcome the coming King.
Hello, Windkey. There are a lot of things that most folks just don't feel comfortable talking about. I hope this prompted you to have a positive, productive discussion. We can only pray that we're never faced with that situation. Thank you for your comment.
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besides not getting on the bus, that also goes for not getting into any line sponsored by you know who.
ReplyDeleteYou are correct, a line has been drawn. Let's draw one of our own, using your website as the starting point. There is a way to resist, nonviolently, and send a clear, consistent message to the President and Congress that we have had enough of this crap and we are about to get organized. With no further adieu, here it is: Title 4, Chapter 1 of the United States Flag Code: "The flag should never be flown Union Down except during times of dire distress or extreme possibility of great loss of life and property." Union Down, simply means 'upside down'. All of us, under this present administration, and all entanglements associated thereof, are indeed in dire distress, and in extreme, imminent danger of losing life and property. So, why not starting tomorrow morning lets all go out and buy a standard size flag and fly it upside down on our properties, homes, etc. Smaller ones can be placed on the windshields, bumpers, backpacks, and just about anywhere there isn't hair (lol). If the ptb in DC looked out the window and saw a 100,000,000 Stars and Stripes flying 'Union Down' it would send a powerful message that the natives are restless. Every movement dies without a 'Guide On', and the Prepper Movement should have one too, and it should be the Union Down Stars and Stripes. No one is disrespecting the flag by doing this, as it is authorized by Federal Law. I want no part in being anything but a follower in this. You need a younger, more energetic leader to get the ball rolling. This could be our last chance to get the pigs back in the pen before they root us out of home and property. Rather it catches on or not, by tomorrow evening there will be a Union Down flag fluttering above my driveway. Thanks for your time.
ReplyDeleteHi. Interesting idea. I don't remember leadership having an age limit. But I agree, we do need to do something, and it needs to be done soon. I was taught that flying the flag upside down was done when we were under attack. I guess it's everyone's interpretation of what the word attack means.
DeleteA slightly different issue. Why would anybody need to go BUY a flag to fly upside down? Shouldn't they be able to take the flag currently flying at their house, or in their yard, and just turn it upside down?
I have a flag flying at my house everyday. It means a lot to me, and I have very strong feelings about people that choose not to fly an American flag. You see, I love my country everyday, and the flag is more than just a means of protest or a sign of discontent. I love my flag and what it symbolizes and stands for. If I choose to fly it upside down, I will. But I won't have to go BUY one to do so.
Did I tell you I love my flag? It flies everyday, 365, 24/7. Rain or shine. It's just like our soldiers, it's there everyday. Rain or shine.
May God bless America.
Frank
Frank and Fern: Most people don't have a flag. Hardly anyone is flying a flag on their property anymore. Almost everyone will have to purchase a flag. Furthermore, we are under attack! But, a good reality check has let me know that this idea will never catch on because it requires action. Thanks for your time and wish you the best.
DeleteAction is an interesting word. It actually requires that somebody do something.
DeleteI live out in the middle of no where, and I can look out my window and see three flags. Two of them are at elderly ladies' homes, both of their husbands were WWII veterans. The other is at my house.
As mentioned in a previous comment, my flag is very special to me. I really hurt for those that don't have what it takes to fly the flag of the Untied States of America.
Frank
Thank you for the blog post Frank and Fern. All of that has been on my mind lately. I hope that many people come to understand the gravity of our situation and realize that those events in your post will almost certainly come to pass. I have expressed these exact fears. Could you please direct me to a resource, if not yourself, in regards to Christians and lethal force? I need input referencing the bible and God's stance on such, not opinion. I know there is a difference between protecting my life and dying for my faith. Thoughts on that? Scenario...they (armed soldiers or civilians recruited by the government) are rounding up civilians by force to get on the bus as opposed to rounding up Christians by force to get on the bus. When is it ok to protect yourself and by ok, I mean ok with God. Is there a difference? Also, what about protecting your church congregation. Let's say a shooter comes into church and starts killing people. Is it ok as a Christian to kill the shooter? I want to be right with God. Blessings to you!
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DeleteLuke 22:35-39 And He said to them, "When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?" So they said, "Nothing." 36 Then He said to them, "But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. 37 "For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: 'And He was numbered with the transgressors.' For the things concerning Me have an end." 38 So they said, "Lord, look, here are two swords." And He said to them, "It is enough." 39 Coming out, He went to the Mount of Olives, as He was accustomed, and His disciples also followed Him.
There is more discussion of this passage, as well as others, many others, here:
http://www.biblicalselfdefense.com/
I think it's a nice summary and justification that self defense is right and good, as well as the defense of others.
Nick
NB- I'm no Biblical scholar. I've read it in several translations more than once. I don't have any problem with the passages or explication provided at the link above. A google search on "biblical justification for self defense" will provide more links.
Thanks for the link. I wanted to hear what people had to say and share those with my husband. :)
Deletethe line you depict is indefensible. by the time it is being crossed you already will have lost. it takes a village, a tribe, a city, a nation, to draw a line that is defensible. "a republic, madam, if you can keep it". and we have not kept it.
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Hello. If you wait until it is being crossed, then yes, it is indefensible. We're trying to establish a way to avoid that line ever appearing. We may or may not be successful, but we are trying. But that day is coming, hopefully later than sooner.
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What do you do when the FBI & ATF show up at the door to confiscate your guns? Do you fight them or give them up?
ReplyDeleteAt this current time, unless you are involved in some other issue, they have no reason to come to your door. Yes, times change, executive orders change. We will just have to wait and see. As to what to do? That's a decision that you will need to make individually. Choose wisely.
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thank you frank and fern for the candid article and thanks to many who responded with intelligent and useful comments.
ReplyDeleteIt is sad to think america has come to this..... subjugation by a private federal corporation (in DC) which, in turn, is controlled/owned by the Rothschild Khazarian Bankers and which is in bankruptcy to the IMF... And now, circling the drain of despotism, tyranny and anarchy.
I will visit as often as i can...much info here to explore and learn from...
Hello, Richard. Please come back often, any comments you have will be appreciated. We're all in this thing together.
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have enjoyed my first exposure to your site..... Will be back to learn as much as possible.... thanks
ReplyDeleteWelcome, Richard. We hope you enjoy your time here.
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As another granny, I often think that my purpose in the coming collapse is to be "fodder" to allow the younger and stronger to get away. That is a very difficult concept to come to terms with in my head. All the prepping and education would be to benefit someone else! But for us older folks, I'm afraid we would best be used to help others survive at the cost of our own already lived lives.
ReplyDeleteHello, Toc. I guess that is one way that older folks can be useful. I don't think it would be my first choice or my recommendation. Hopefully, there would be better ways to utilize an older person.
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Our elders will be the teachers. Have you looked at the up and comming? In bootcamp the D.I is not much older than the boot, it was the older guy's who kept us alive. The been there done that type. God bless and stay safe.
DeleteWise words that all should heed.
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Probably the best post that I've seen re: where we are at. Many thanks!
ReplyDeleteAs noted by another, those who replied appear to be an exceptional bunch of folks. I have several family members of that caliber but most choose to be oblivious &, over the years some have made comments such as : "F" the guys who died in Vietnam" - "I could be a good communist" - "Parts of communism aren't too bad" - "Sex in the oval office isn't a problem". Guess who ISN'T getting in the door when they show up with two days of food & 50 rounds of ammunition. As I've seen on another site: "The stupidity/ignorance of family & friends can get you killed." Choose wisely when/if you open the door.
As a Nam infantry vet who saw/experienced way too much, I can honestly state that where we are going will most likely make the Nam look like a picnic. It won't be fun but it will be interesting.
As for the 2016 election --- I don't think it'll happen. They'll go full-blown commie & stir the pot in upcoming months to the point where their comfortable declaring "We can't have an election under these conditions!"
Guess that I could write a book but will simply stop with --- God bless you & yours & God bless America.
Hello. Welcome home and thank you for your service.
DeleteLots of people say stupid things. Most of the time they really don't mean them and they don't know what they're saying. They're just repeating an idiot that is repeating an idiot. It's a cycle. Oftentimes in private these type folks don't really believe what they said, they're just trying to be cute and fit it. You know, stupid.
I think you're right about the elections, I have felt this for years. I don't know the reason they will use, but I think we've seen our last national election.
Again, thank you. Peace.
Frank
Hi Frank, after reading through the comments again, I finally saw your question about the CB's. Then I spent the next two hours going through a bunch of your topics on the side bar trying to find the post where I asked you about them. No Joy! getting dumber the older I get. OBTW, been married to the same wonderful lady 53 years today, and we still talk to each other in a civil way!!
ReplyDeleteCongratulations! 53 years is a long time.
DeleteOur conversation about CB radios took place on the article called 'Please Enjoy the View', here is the link.
http://thoughtsfromfrankandfern.blogspot.com/2015/12/please-enjoy-view.html
Happy Anniversary from us to the two of you.
Frank & Fern
Ephesians 6:12
ReplyDelete“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
Hello. Thank you for the scripture. We have always had evil. Something recently has been loosed. It is very sinister. Pay attention. Be vigilant. Pray for the ability to see. Thank you again.
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Indeed, I finally woke up to what was going on after I visited the Holocaust Exhibition at the Imperial War Museum in London. There is no rational explanation for that evil, and I was forced to accept that evil is real, and is an active force in this world.
Delete1 Peter 5:8 is another verse I have come to understand.
Each time this happens, people wonder how it can happen. Deny that it can happen. Won't accept that it is happening. But evil is real, and there are people on this earth who have given themselves over to evil. The descent into totalitarianism has happened before, it can happen again, and it is happening again. There is no rational explanation for what they are doing, any more than there is a rational explanation for the death camps or the Katyn forest massacre.
Patriot's Corner: The Red and The Black.
I wonder whether our real first concern will be the government. I am more concerned the government will encourage anarchy for a while, refusing to protect the masses until enough of them have eliminated one another. Will the unprepared hoards or the well equipped gangs be allowed to have their way for a time (as occurred in the recent unrest (read riots) in Baltimore. After enough people are eliminated or become dependent they will step in to "help" the remnant. The government may just sit on their hands an wait for the outcome.
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Hi, not sure if you will see this since you have shut your blog down. I just wanted to comment on the mental stresses. My husband and I moved to our bare bones 'retreat' property June 2015. We are building it is taking a while, but we are making slow progress. I have been really struggling - too many changes in too short of a time frame. Not sure all of the components that are affecting me so badly. I thought I was pretty strong. I am not. My husband has been a great comfort and strength for me. I'm not sure if my faith is being tested, but God has been rather quiet during this stressful time. I'm not sure if I did something wrong or lacked some training to prepare for this, or simply you can never know what you're made of until tested. Yes, the mental component is too often skimmed over. Blessing to you both.
ReplyDeleteHang in there, Joanna, and you will pass this test. Frank and I have wondered lately about some of the challenges we have faced. I get the feeling that we are being prepared for the difficult times to come, kind of some practice runs, if you will. You will be stronger for the trials. Draw on that strength as you need it. God is always there. Blessings, Fern
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