tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003348645601520194.post3580670576739355230..comments2023-10-21T16:38:35.007-05:00Comments on Thoughts from Frank and Fern: Quality Homegrown MilkFrank and Fernhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15570058990887565563noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003348645601520194.post-47463120589783638192014-05-23T15:13:11.966-05:002014-05-23T15:13:11.966-05:00I appreciate your input into this discussion. The ...I appreciate your input into this discussion. The slide review from Windsor Dairy provides a comparison of their data vs. the data from Dr. Woodford's book. It appears to me that their debate on the specifics of the effects of A1 milk are not conclusive. On one of their last slides they quote Murray Laugesen, "The correlations are far from conclusive, but cannot be ignored."<br /><br />I mentioned "old fashioned" breeds of cows, not necessarily the "older breeds", which I do not believe we are interpreting the same way. Awareness and education of the possibilities of ill health effects are at the heart of making good decisions. Thank you for adding to this cause.<br /><br />Fern<br />Frank and Fernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15570058990887565563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003348645601520194.post-61313301037574761972014-05-23T13:43:09.601-05:002014-05-23T13:43:09.601-05:00That "older breeds" are predominantly A2...That "older breeds" are predominantly A2 is just false. All breeds of milk cows are "old" breeds. There's a lot of hype around this subject....and much is just false. This presentation covers the subject VERY well.<br /><br />http://windsordairy.com/casomorphine.html<br /><br />Now BB Kappa Casein does improve cheese yields.<br /><br />http://www.fleckvieh.de/Fleckviehwelt/World/FVW_2013/World_12-15.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003348645601520194.post-50582350669436913432014-05-22T21:28:57.915-05:002014-05-22T21:28:57.915-05:00Lise, thank you for this information. If there are...Lise, thank you for this information. If there are folks that have difficulty with regular, store bought milk, it could be due to A1, or not. But I think people should be able to make informed decisions when it comes to their own health. I did read information that came from NZ and Austrailia and that milk specifically labeled A2 is available at the store. I think it is great that the folks there have that choice. Thanks again.<br /><br />Fern<br />Frank and Fernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15570058990887565563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003348645601520194.post-51462561884645689752014-05-22T21:23:45.195-05:002014-05-22T21:23:45.195-05:00I know what you mean, Liz. When I started reading ...I know what you mean, Liz. When I started reading about all of this, I was very glad we had goats!<br /><br />FernFrank and Fernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15570058990887565563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003348645601520194.post-69613558786652668562014-05-22T17:44:51.577-05:002014-05-22T17:44:51.577-05:00Hi, In earlier times, most dairy herds were predom...Hi, In earlier times, most dairy herds were predominantly A2 producing. The dairy industry selected higher producing cows for their breeding programs. These individuals tend to have A1 genetics. (Nothing sinister between A1 and A2, Equivalent to blue eyes and brown eyes) Here in Australia you can buy A2 milk in the supermarket. I think the research was done in NZ. It is more expensive as it comes from lower yielding breeds. However, the taste is superior. So much creamier, even at equivalent fat content. The research does suggest that many people who cannot tolerate 'normal' (A1) supermarket milk have no problems with A2. Hope that helps.- LiseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003348645601520194.post-42579670856959084862014-05-22T16:29:16.032-05:002014-05-22T16:29:16.032-05:00Great summary fern! Makes me glad to own a little ...Great summary fern! Makes me glad to own a little jersey cow :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12874273438983052621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003348645601520194.post-59161633849536502142014-05-22T07:18:35.651-05:002014-05-22T07:18:35.651-05:00This makes sense, Kate, I just hadn't put it t...This makes sense, Kate, I just hadn't put it together. So, most cheese in the U.S. is not only made with GMO rennet, it is made with A1 milk. How very, very sad. I have to ask, why is profit more important that the health of the consumers?<br /><br />When we first began homesteading and raising some of our own vegetables, meat, milk and eggs we were a little hesitant about it. We had grown up trusting that the food we buy at the store was good, healthy and safe to consume. Now the more I learn, the more I realized how wrong we were. <br /><br />I am so grateful for the opportunity to learn. We learn so much everyday it is amazing. Kate, I really appreciate your comment. Now, I'm going to go make some mozzarella with my goat milk and non-GMO rennet.<br /><br />Fern<br />Frank and Fernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15570058990887565563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003348645601520194.post-90440616211928248422014-05-22T06:34:39.654-05:002014-05-22T06:34:39.654-05:00Since cheese is made by removing the whey from mil...Since cheese is made by removing the whey from milk, you're going to end up with concentrated A1 casein. Even though testing the milk is the only way to know for sure, I've read that European herds are more likely to be A2 cows, so we buy imported cheese or stick with sheep or goat when we just have to have a little cheese. <br />KateAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003348645601520194.post-86685303010406708462014-05-21T19:45:34.014-05:002014-05-21T19:45:34.014-05:00Thank you very much for your comment. I appreciate...Thank you very much for your comment. I appreciate the information that you have gained from first hand experience. I don't know if there is a greater risk for certain groups of people to suffer from A1's ill effects, or if it is a random thing. Again, thank you for the comment.<br /><br />Fern<br />Frank and Fernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15570058990887565563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003348645601520194.post-20330223599601258702014-05-21T17:22:34.800-05:002014-05-21T17:22:34.800-05:00Hi, I have cows and have had some tested. Our bree...Hi, I have cows and have had some tested. Our breed is Brown Swiss and they're about 70% A2. Sometimes I drink A2 and sometimes A1, and it's all the same to me. I think it can make a difference to folk who are intolerant to the A1 protein, but for most of us, especially european derived races, I don't think it's very important, although, having read this, I think I'll make more of an effort to just use milk from my A2's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003348645601520194.post-63335593754534366142014-05-21T16:43:14.677-05:002014-05-21T16:43:14.677-05:00I think your best bet is to do some research, Chri...I think your best bet is to do some research, Christilin. Most things I read indicate that all dairy animals should be tested to determine the type of milk they produce. Here is a link about some folks that tested their animals and the results of breeding practices. Best of luck!<br /><br />http://www.amorphousacres.com/irish-dexters/dextera2a2milkgene/<br /><br />Fern<br />Frank and Fernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15570058990887565563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003348645601520194.post-90351224413742291692014-05-21T16:04:16.634-05:002014-05-21T16:04:16.634-05:00Does anyone know how Dexters fall into this? We&#...Does anyone know how Dexters fall into this? We've been looking at one for all-purpose on our homestead.Christilinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00010801823222766449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003348645601520194.post-38049077064144594102014-05-21T12:36:59.727-05:002014-05-21T12:36:59.727-05:00Thank you for sharing the link, CB. I was hoping m...Thank you for sharing the link, CB. I was hoping more information would come out about A1 vs. A2 with this post. I know if we had bought a dairy cow, not knowing about this possibility, it would really surprise me. I hope this will help some others be able to get their animals tested.<br /><br />Fern<br />Frank and Fernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15570058990887565563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003348645601520194.post-89577634416588276472014-05-21T09:55:50.356-05:002014-05-21T09:55:50.356-05:00I see that someone mentioned that not all of the o...I see that someone mentioned that not all of the older breeds are A2/A2. We bought our Jersey because she was oferred at a very good price, but don't know if she's A2, or if her heifer is A2 either. We're going to have both of them tested soon. For anyone that's interested in testing their cattle, or testing before buying one, here's the link to the UCDavis facility. https://www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/services/A2Genotyping.php From what I can gather this is either the most trusted lab by far, or it's the only lab in the U.S. that does the A2 testing.CBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18441082544900346431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003348645601520194.post-74737627953363787122014-05-21T09:22:49.971-05:002014-05-21T09:22:49.971-05:00Thank you for providing more details and things to...Thank you for providing more details and things to ponder for the readers. There is a lot more to this topic than I provided here. Frank has read more information about A1 vs. A2 just since we posted this. There is a lot to the genetics of the animals, as you pointed out. It makes me even happier that we have goats.<br /><br />Fern<br />Frank and Fernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15570058990887565563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003348645601520194.post-43355662083269147672014-05-21T09:13:28.331-05:002014-05-21T09:13:28.331-05:00I know you just intended to touch on this lightly,...I know you just intended to touch on this lightly, and encouraged deeper research and testing, but despite your disclaimers readers may get the impression that they can just purchase a Jersey, and they will be getting A2 milk. Rather, they have a better chance of getting A2 milk than if they purchased a Holstein. Jerseys are approximately 50% A2, Guernseys are 90% A2, Holsteins are 67% A1 (with of course variations depending on the country, etc). Whichever breed you choose, you need to have your cows DNA tested (as you note) to see if it is A2/A2, A2/A1, or A1/A1. Any of these combinations can show up in any breed. If a cow has both alleles, it will provide a mixed milk, according to the research. I just think it would be helpful to flag that the devil, in addition to being in the milk, is also in the details. Thanks! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003348645601520194.post-77857725192501703222014-05-21T07:37:17.271-05:002014-05-21T07:37:17.271-05:00That is very well said, Shannon. "Pay the far...That is very well said, Shannon. "Pay the farmer or pay the doctor".....I will remember that one. I think many of us have seen that glazed over look way too many times. The follow up to that, is the next look that indicates you might be mentally deficient or a little off your rocker. Sometimes it would be tempting to laugh hysterically when I get that look, but it would deter from the message, wouldn't it? Shannon, I really appreciate your input. I hope it catches some folks attention and gets them to think a little more.<br /><br />Fern<br />Frank and Fernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15570058990887565563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003348645601520194.post-58258592434316583682014-05-21T07:07:09.900-05:002014-05-21T07:07:09.900-05:00Fern, I do tell everyone that will listen to me. ...Fern, I do tell everyone that will listen to me. Some seem interested but do not follow up with their own research or change their resources. It amazes me that most just look at me with a glazed over look that tells me they don't hear me or don't want to hear me. My sister actually gets angry with me when I tell her about the dangers. She lives in a big city and says that buying healthy/organic would cost her too much. I remind her that she will pay the farmer or she will pay the doctor. What has happened to people's reasoning abilities.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09586330044953097637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003348645601520194.post-86111095138849838632014-05-21T07:06:07.197-05:002014-05-21T07:06:07.197-05:00Thank you. We have found SurvivalBlog to be very g...Thank you. We have found SurvivalBlog to be very generous in promoting other blogs and topics that affect people's lives. We are grateful for their willingness to share information that can help people make informed decisions.<br /><br />Fern<br />Frank and Fernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15570058990887565563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003348645601520194.post-61685082119699726752014-05-21T06:55:27.130-05:002014-05-21T06:55:27.130-05:00Congratulations! You made a SurvivalBlog link.Congratulations! You made a SurvivalBlog link.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003348645601520194.post-11382688931473557352014-05-20T22:22:09.022-05:002014-05-20T22:22:09.022-05:00There is always so much to learn, SFG.
FernThere is always so much to learn, SFG. <br /><br />FernFrank and Fernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15570058990887565563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003348645601520194.post-90597031676271133232014-05-20T22:21:48.638-05:002014-05-20T22:21:48.638-05:00Thank you, Bruce. I hope this is helps. Please tel...Thank you, Bruce. I hope this is helps. Please tell other folks you know that may be considering a dairy animal.<br /><br />FernFrank and Fernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15570058990887565563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003348645601520194.post-78261012730669906902014-05-20T22:19:49.840-05:002014-05-20T22:19:49.840-05:00Kathi I buy my rennet from Hoegger. It is a concen...Kathi I buy my rennet from Hoegger. It is a concentrated, imported, animal based rennet.<br /><br />http://hoeggerfarmyard.com/xcart/Liquid-Rennet.html<br /><br />Fern<br /><br /><br />Frank and Fernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15570058990887565563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003348645601520194.post-74603792507472354742014-05-20T20:59:18.628-05:002014-05-20T20:59:18.628-05:00Thanks for sharing that, Fiona. We had a neighbor ...Thanks for sharing that, Fiona. We had a neighbor that milked a Black Angus that she had bottle raised. There are many options when it comes to milk.<br /><br />FernFrank and Fernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15570058990887565563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003348645601520194.post-75617440515047708592014-05-20T18:24:17.271-05:002014-05-20T18:24:17.271-05:00Just a note from my farm experience with "bee...Just a note from my farm experience with "beef" cows. I raised purebred beef Shorthorns. They are a gentle breed and milk well. I always had milk from them. I would lock one of the Gentlest show cows up away from her calf at night then Milk what I needed in the morning. Then I let the calf suck. People tend to overlook the fact that beef cows milk and have rice milk to fatten a calf, it is higher in butterfat than a lot of Dairy breeds. Just an idea for anyone who does not want to milk night and day but who likes cows milk.Fionahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05348495575211204989noreply@blogger.com